1 00:00:04,010 --> 00:00:02,180 hi everybody I'm bill burns yeah nancy 2 00:00:06,470 --> 00:00:04,020 burns here and Wharf in future theater 3 00:00:11,390 --> 00:00:06,480 and you know we like to listen to mm 4 00:00:14,780 --> 00:00:11,400 radio on sunday nights at 9pm at 9pm 5 00:00:17,810 --> 00:00:14,790 what o.o the best network on the whole 6 00:00:20,029 --> 00:00:17,820 entire internet inception radio network 7 00:01:10,940 --> 00:00:20,039 you're locked into inception radio 8 00:01:10,950 --> 00:01:17,860 Radio like lupus 9 00:01:23,300 --> 00:01:20,480 good evening planet Earth welcome to 10 00:01:26,270 --> 00:01:23,310 paying radio tonight is Sunday October 11 00:01:27,890 --> 00:01:26,280 19 2014 welcome to the show we have a 12 00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:27,900 special treat for you tonight we have 13 00:01:31,790 --> 00:01:29,970 two guests tonight on the show we have 14 00:01:33,980 --> 00:01:31,800 first starting off with Travis Walton 15 00:01:35,150 --> 00:01:33,990 and then second half of the show the 16 00:01:37,550 --> 00:01:35,160 last hour the show we're going to talk 17 00:01:39,290 --> 00:01:37,560 to Roger Phillips so quick quick 18 00:01:42,050 --> 00:01:39,300 reminders is if you look in chat right 19 00:01:43,670 --> 00:01:42,060 now we have a little paper clip on the 20 00:01:46,490 --> 00:01:43,680 side of the chat that is a new feature 21 00:01:50,090 --> 00:01:46,500 and what that paper clip allows you to 22 00:01:52,249 --> 00:01:50,100 do is let me get into the notes here you 23 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:52,259 can send a 10 second video clip from 24 00:01:58,130 --> 00:01:54,330 your webcam and I'm upload that to chat 25 00:01:59,270 --> 00:01:58,140 and I believe if you're using Firefox 26 00:02:00,710 --> 00:01:59,280 you're gonna get all them features and 27 00:02:02,420 --> 00:02:00,720 there's more features to come to from 28 00:02:03,889 --> 00:02:02,430 Internet Explorer net so that's a new 29 00:02:05,540 --> 00:02:03,899 feature you can attach a picture 30 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:05,550 straight with that paper clip instead of 31 00:02:10,070 --> 00:02:07,770 doing the old copy and paste but let's 32 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:10,080 get straight to it let's welcome Travis 33 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:11,970 Walton to the show tonight welcome to 34 00:02:17,300 --> 00:02:14,730 the show Travis good to be here well 35 00:02:19,820 --> 00:02:17,310 thank you it's it's a pleasure to have 36 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:19,830 you on one of the I would say one of the 37 00:02:24,500 --> 00:02:22,410 most what would you say Ken is the word 38 00:02:25,699 --> 00:02:24,510 to explain his case well I think it's 39 00:02:28,729 --> 00:02:25,709 not only one of the more interesting 40 00:02:34,759 --> 00:02:28,739 cases but I think it also goes to the 41 00:02:37,220 --> 00:02:34,769 heart of the abduction phenomena and an 42 00:02:39,830 --> 00:02:37,230 incredible story I just think that 43 00:02:42,199 --> 00:02:39,840 people need to realize that there's 44 00:02:45,199 --> 00:02:42,209 probably a lot of information still out 45 00:02:48,470 --> 00:02:45,209 there concerning that abduction and what 46 00:02:51,319 --> 00:02:48,480 happened to Travis Wall yeah well you 47 00:02:53,030 --> 00:02:51,329 know the research is ongoing there's all 48 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:53,040 kinds of new things being discovered 49 00:02:59,630 --> 00:02:56,130 that just surprise me that we can keep 50 00:03:01,130 --> 00:02:59,640 making discoveries hey Travis I could 51 00:03:04,340 --> 00:03:01,140 start the ball rolling a little but I 52 00:03:06,620 --> 00:03:04,350 got a question for you and I I think 53 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:06,630 most of our listeners are familiar with 54 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:09,090 what happened but could you just recap 55 00:03:15,020 --> 00:03:12,570 real quickly what transpired on that 56 00:03:18,319 --> 00:03:15,030 mountain for you well you know we are 57 00:03:20,330 --> 00:03:18,329 working in a forest in arizona you know 58 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:20,340 the 7,000 feet up in the up and the 59 00:03:26,030 --> 00:03:23,850 timber and we put in a long day when 60 00:03:28,729 --> 00:03:26,040 cutting trees with chainsaws you know 61 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:28,739 and it was starting to get dark so his 62 00:03:31,970 --> 00:03:30,690 day was over we loaded up and we're 63 00:03:34,910 --> 00:03:31,980 driving home 64 00:03:37,339 --> 00:03:34,920 and we haven't gone too far when we saw 65 00:03:41,390 --> 00:03:37,349 a kind of a strange glow coming through 66 00:03:42,979 --> 00:03:41,400 the trees up ahead and when we finally 67 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:42,989 got what we could see where the light 68 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:45,330 was coming from man it was just the most 69 00:03:51,740 --> 00:03:48,170 amazing sight boom there was this this 70 00:03:53,630 --> 00:03:51,750 UFO hovering there and and let me ask 71 00:03:55,430 --> 00:03:53,640 you this real quick that wasn't just a 72 00:03:57,350 --> 00:03:55,440 light the sky when you got on scene you 73 00:03:59,920 --> 00:03:57,360 actually saw a structured craft didn't 74 00:04:01,910 --> 00:03:59,930 you that's right it was it was you know 75 00:04:03,890 --> 00:04:01,920 skeptics were saying well they just saw 76 00:04:08,059 --> 00:04:03,900 the planet Jupiter but you know this was 77 00:04:10,849 --> 00:04:08,069 you know 20 30 feet across and you know 78 00:04:15,349 --> 00:04:10,859 and yeah that's an honor feet away you 79 00:04:18,319 --> 00:04:15,359 know ya know yeah well that's the usual 80 00:04:20,599 --> 00:04:18,329 card that a lot of those boneheads throw 81 00:04:22,069 --> 00:04:20,609 out there can can you describe what the 82 00:04:25,250 --> 00:04:22,079 craft look like you got a pretty good 83 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:25,260 look at it but go ahead I'm sorry yeah 84 00:04:30,710 --> 00:04:28,289 it was glowing and you know we describe 85 00:04:32,870 --> 00:04:30,720 it as looking like molten metal but you 86 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:32,880 know that was like molten steel coming 87 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:35,370 out of a blast furnace it was you know a 88 00:04:41,860 --> 00:04:39,930 yellow a golden white hot not not like 89 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:41,870 molten lolla like they did in the movie 90 00:04:49,490 --> 00:04:46,650 but parts of it were not glowing but it 91 00:04:52,550 --> 00:04:49,500 was metallic except for the parts that 92 00:04:55,190 --> 00:04:52,560 were giving off light and the whole 93 00:05:02,540 --> 00:04:55,200 surface was like one smooth glassy 94 00:05:05,210 --> 00:05:02,550 surface and it was the overall shape of 95 00:05:07,909 --> 00:05:05,220 it was a disc you know like 25 hands put 96 00:05:10,219 --> 00:05:07,919 lip to lip what was it was there any 97 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:10,229 rotation to add the craft at all or was 98 00:05:14,750 --> 00:05:12,330 a gestation well it wasn't spinning and 99 00:05:16,250 --> 00:05:14,760 that is one mistake I see a lot of in 100 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:16,260 the reenactments that are done 101 00:05:20,330 --> 00:05:18,210 recreations that are done for film but 102 00:05:24,290 --> 00:05:20,340 you know the same side was towards us 103 00:05:26,210 --> 00:05:24,300 all the time Travis yeah Travis's is MJ 104 00:05:29,089 --> 00:05:26,220 now did the truck come to a complete 105 00:05:30,770 --> 00:05:29,099 stop yeah as soon as it stopped I threw 106 00:05:33,650 --> 00:05:30,780 open the door and I was just thinking it 107 00:05:37,010 --> 00:05:33,660 would take off before I got up close but 108 00:05:39,589 --> 00:05:37,020 the closer I got to it wasn't going 109 00:05:43,359 --> 00:05:39,599 anywhere and you know I started become 110 00:05:47,149 --> 00:05:43,369 more scared about what I was doing and 111 00:05:48,439 --> 00:05:47,159 yes one of those oops moment yeah but 112 00:05:50,149 --> 00:05:48,449 you know I was trying not show it but 113 00:05:52,789 --> 00:05:50,159 the guys in the truck were you know 114 00:05:55,729 --> 00:05:52,799 really pretty alarmed and were yelling 115 00:05:58,999 --> 00:05:55,739 at meeting it come back to the truck but 116 00:06:01,159 --> 00:05:59,009 good could you feel any heat from the 117 00:06:04,189 --> 00:06:01,169 object I didn't feel any heat but I 118 00:06:07,269 --> 00:06:04,199 could feel the sound and okay as strange 119 00:06:10,459 --> 00:06:07,279 to say it that way but the sound was so 120 00:06:12,499 --> 00:06:10,469 off the range of human hearing on the 121 00:06:14,569 --> 00:06:12,509 low and the high end that it was 122 00:06:16,159 --> 00:06:14,579 something like you could you know of 123 00:06:18,639 --> 00:06:16,169 course you could hear parts of it but 124 00:06:22,399 --> 00:06:18,649 parts of it you could feel in your body 125 00:06:24,019 --> 00:06:22,409 because it was so powerful and you know 126 00:06:25,969 --> 00:06:24,029 even even the guys that were still 127 00:06:30,979 --> 00:06:25,979 sucking in the truck will felt the power 128 00:06:33,739 --> 00:06:30,989 of it and several of them said it seemed 129 00:06:35,569 --> 00:06:33,749 like something was about to happen but 130 00:06:38,089 --> 00:06:35,579 you know what i think that was is not 131 00:06:40,729 --> 00:06:38,099 just the danger of me getting too close 132 00:06:43,100 --> 00:06:40,739 i think that that they were sensing with 133 00:06:46,939 --> 00:06:43,110 some kind of an electrical charge that 134 00:06:48,619 --> 00:06:46,949 was bringing up in the air because when 135 00:06:51,309 --> 00:06:48,629 when it started to move and the sound 136 00:06:55,609 --> 00:06:51,319 got louder you know I just instinctively 137 00:06:59,329 --> 00:06:55,619 dough for cover he jumped into a crouch 138 00:07:02,600 --> 00:06:59,339 mm-hmm and I was down behind this log 139 00:07:04,519 --> 00:07:02,610 and you know in order to get behind the 140 00:07:08,329 --> 00:07:04,529 log I had to kind of take a little bit 141 00:07:10,429 --> 00:07:08,339 of a step forward to and then and when I 142 00:07:14,629 --> 00:07:10,439 decided to run back to the truck that's 143 00:07:17,809 --> 00:07:14,639 when I stood up and that right there was 144 00:07:22,519 --> 00:07:17,819 when my head and chest closed the 145 00:07:27,679 --> 00:07:22,529 distance to the craft and that's when it 146 00:07:29,359 --> 00:07:27,689 hit me we will you hit with a kind of a 147 00:07:33,469 --> 00:07:29,369 tractor beam or were you just 148 00:07:35,179 --> 00:07:33,479 immobilized well it was it was not like 149 00:07:37,339 --> 00:07:35,189 in the movie where it looks like it's 150 00:07:39,949 --> 00:07:37,349 just kind of holding the actor there and 151 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:39,959 then say something back it was much more 152 00:07:44,359 --> 00:07:41,610 violent of that it was just like an 153 00:07:47,269 --> 00:07:44,369 explosion of energy they could hear a 154 00:07:49,819 --> 00:07:47,279 sound they said it rendered me 155 00:07:53,889 --> 00:07:49,829 unconscious immediately but they said it 156 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:53,899 made a one of the guys became a 157 00:07:58,520 --> 00:07:56,370 journeyman electrician on 158 00:08:02,200 --> 00:07:58,530 industrial stuff and he said it sounded 159 00:08:08,510 --> 00:08:02,210 like the surge of high voltage to him 160 00:08:11,510 --> 00:08:08,520 but in one of the detectives of leech 161 00:08:13,850 --> 00:08:11,520 deputies reports and the sheriff's file 162 00:08:17,540 --> 00:08:13,860 one of the men had described it as 163 00:08:18,740 --> 00:08:17,550 looking like a long blue flame but you 164 00:08:21,409 --> 00:08:18,750 know some of them described it is 165 00:08:25,580 --> 00:08:21,419 looking like a ray or bolt of lightning 166 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:25,590 or whatever but they said it was so 167 00:08:32,510 --> 00:08:29,310 powerful and it threw me through the air 168 00:08:34,610 --> 00:08:32,520 so violently that every one of them just 169 00:08:37,100 --> 00:08:34,620 immediately just assumed it killed me 170 00:08:39,219 --> 00:08:37,110 right right and understandably did you 171 00:08:42,170 --> 00:08:39,229 sustain any type of injury from that 172 00:08:44,780 --> 00:08:42,180 well I didn't have any sign of injury 173 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:44,790 when I was returned but I do think that 174 00:08:50,329 --> 00:08:47,610 it would it would have at least put me 175 00:08:54,260 --> 00:08:50,339 into cardiac arrest right and maybe 176 00:08:56,390 --> 00:08:54,270 something worse right now look the guys 177 00:08:58,400 --> 00:08:56,400 took off and they were in a panic and 178 00:09:01,130 --> 00:08:58,410 they were arguing about what to do but 179 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:01,140 that you know one argument between Steve 180 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:03,930 and Dwayne was whether it blown me to 181 00:09:08,630 --> 00:09:07,050 pieces or burn me up or something well 182 00:09:10,699 --> 00:09:08,640 and that's understandable given that 183 00:09:12,740 --> 00:09:10,709 given the context of what no did what 184 00:09:16,130 --> 00:09:12,750 just transpired in front of them but you 185 00:09:18,140 --> 00:09:16,140 once you were hit with whatever was you 186 00:09:19,790 --> 00:09:18,150 have no conscious memory from that point 187 00:09:27,560 --> 00:09:19,800 on until you're inside the craft is that 188 00:09:29,540 --> 00:09:27,570 correct yeah Wow Wow do do you think 189 00:09:31,340 --> 00:09:29,550 that the craft at one point was on the 190 00:09:34,670 --> 00:09:31,350 ground and it but why you guys were 191 00:09:37,370 --> 00:09:34,680 approaching it driving up it could have 192 00:09:41,990 --> 00:09:37,380 been and you know the on-site research 193 00:09:44,060 --> 00:09:42,000 is ongoing and you know the idea that 194 00:09:46,910 --> 00:09:44,070 there was high radiation level there is 195 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:46,920 being supported by some more discoveries 196 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:49,890 that we've made have you had any effects 197 00:09:55,699 --> 00:09:52,770 of being exposed to high radiation don't 198 00:09:59,090 --> 00:09:55,709 know any negative health effects at all 199 00:10:00,650 --> 00:09:59,100 well turns gray travis's is mga now have 200 00:10:02,750 --> 00:10:00,660 you did any research was there anybody 201 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:02,760 else that seen this craft in the area or 202 00:10:06,530 --> 00:10:04,650 there was any reports you came across oh 203 00:10:07,140 --> 00:10:06,540 yeah you know when we got a hold of the 204 00:10:09,930 --> 00:10:07,150 Sheriff's 205 00:10:12,750 --> 00:10:09,940 I'll on it there was a number of campers 206 00:10:14,820 --> 00:10:12,760 and hunters that reported to the sheriff 207 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:14,830 that they had seen it too you know 208 00:10:22,650 --> 00:10:20,170 passing overhead and I also had people 209 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:22,660 independently you know tell me they were 210 00:10:28,620 --> 00:10:25,770 in the area had seen it hmm Oh 211 00:10:31,230 --> 00:10:28,630 interesting interest that's phenomenal 212 00:10:34,950 --> 00:10:31,240 when when was your first conscious 213 00:10:38,430 --> 00:10:34,960 moment when when being inside the craft 214 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:38,440 what was your first awareness that you 215 00:10:44,580 --> 00:10:40,530 know we're not in Kansas anymore Dorothy 216 00:10:46,860 --> 00:10:44,590 well uh I didn't know where I was when I 217 00:10:49,110 --> 00:10:46,870 when I woke up and I didn't you know 218 00:10:51,270 --> 00:10:49,120 just come right awake I was kind of like 219 00:10:54,450 --> 00:10:51,280 in and out for a long time sure the 220 00:10:57,050 --> 00:10:54,460 first sensation was just pain mostly 221 00:11:02,280 --> 00:10:57,060 pain and also the feeling of suffocation 222 00:11:04,740 --> 00:11:02,290 and you know people that think that in 223 00:11:09,110 --> 00:11:04,750 my situation they would have remained 224 00:11:12,330 --> 00:11:09,120 calm and handled the situation better 225 00:11:15,210 --> 00:11:12,340 don't understand the effect that the 226 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:15,220 feeling of suffocation gives you you 227 00:11:18,780 --> 00:11:16,810 know I've compared it to the 228 00:11:21,990 --> 00:11:18,790 effectiveness of waterboarding in 229 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:22,000 interrogations you know they train our 230 00:11:28,710 --> 00:11:25,210 people with it the terrorists are aware 231 00:11:31,410 --> 00:11:28,720 of it before they ever undergo it but it 232 00:11:33,450 --> 00:11:31,420 still works because it operates on an 233 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:33,460 instinctive level the feeling of 234 00:11:39,420 --> 00:11:36,010 suffocation triggers a fear beyond 235 00:11:41,490 --> 00:11:39,430 anything you can reason away right and 236 00:11:44,190 --> 00:11:41,500 you know the pain and the feeling of 237 00:11:47,820 --> 00:11:44,200 being trapped in this dim li lit cramped 238 00:11:50,970 --> 00:11:47,830 space all of that just you know the the 239 00:11:53,070 --> 00:11:50,980 the level of pain was you know it felt 240 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:53,080 like something was definitely seriously 241 00:12:00,420 --> 00:11:56,410 wrong with my body but we were you able 242 00:12:03,300 --> 00:12:00,430 you said almost describing a 243 00:12:07,350 --> 00:12:03,310 claustrophobic type of situation in 244 00:12:10,740 --> 00:12:07,360 which you were in a cramp containment in 245 00:12:12,570 --> 00:12:10,750 a small space yeah yeah just you know 246 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:12,580 the overriding thought was just I just 247 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:14,050 got to get out of here I just pray that 248 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:18,010 and get some fresh air analysis what do 249 00:12:24,379 --> 00:12:20,970 you do you know what you were in well 250 00:12:26,900 --> 00:12:24,389 um I die you know I could have been 251 00:12:28,759 --> 00:12:26,910 transferred to another craft I I just 252 00:12:31,639 --> 00:12:28,769 don't know and I'd really don't know how 253 00:12:33,829 --> 00:12:31,649 long I was unconscious right more I woke 254 00:12:36,230 --> 00:12:33,839 up you know it could have been because I 255 00:12:38,329 --> 00:12:36,240 was gone for so long this conscious 256 00:12:41,210 --> 00:12:38,339 period could have been you know within 257 00:12:43,730 --> 00:12:41,220 hours or within several days later you 258 00:12:46,100 --> 00:12:43,740 know depending on the extent of the 259 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:46,110 damage you see you know I pieced 260 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:49,410 together and I'm thinking that rather 261 00:12:56,179 --> 00:12:52,769 than this being an intentional abduction 262 00:13:00,980 --> 00:12:56,189 that it was more like a rescue more like 263 00:13:04,129 --> 00:13:00,990 an ambulance call because um the nearest 264 00:13:06,319 --> 00:13:04,139 hospital was over an hour away and if 265 00:13:08,749 --> 00:13:06,329 this discharge from the craft was just 266 00:13:11,300 --> 00:13:08,759 some you know side effect of the 267 00:13:14,769 --> 00:13:11,310 proposing system or something like that 268 00:13:18,170 --> 00:13:14,779 rather than you know deliverable weapon 269 00:13:20,110 --> 00:13:18,180 you know i'm just getting unexpectedly 270 00:13:23,809 --> 00:13:20,120 close like that i could have got myself 271 00:13:25,759 --> 00:13:23,819 hurt or killed and then they were you 272 00:13:28,780 --> 00:13:25,769 know in a situation where they just had 273 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:28,790 to take me aboard to to revive me so 274 00:13:33,439 --> 00:13:31,290 from what you're describing that their 275 00:13:36,019 --> 00:13:33,449 intended consequence was not to take you 276 00:13:37,610 --> 00:13:36,029 aboard but they had to because of what 277 00:13:39,710 --> 00:13:37,620 transpired between you and the craft 278 00:13:41,809 --> 00:13:39,720 whenever they did what they did yeah 279 00:13:43,460 --> 00:13:41,819 well some of the guys on the crew think 280 00:13:46,340 --> 00:13:43,470 that it was intentional that they were 281 00:13:49,639 --> 00:13:46,350 after me but you know I was were the 282 00:13:53,030 --> 00:13:49,649 idea that was kind of a unexpected thing 283 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:53,040 not planned you know maybe I'm biased 284 00:13:58,189 --> 00:13:55,290 because I you know it means that they're 285 00:14:02,660 --> 00:13:58,199 not some kind of individual interest in 286 00:14:08,030 --> 00:14:02,670 me but you know then that way it's over 287 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:08,040 you know right right invited I mean if 288 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:10,170 it was something that they were after 289 00:14:14,269 --> 00:14:12,930 like you I'm surprised that if that was 290 00:14:15,650 --> 00:14:14,279 the motive that they didn't take the 291 00:14:18,249 --> 00:14:15,660 other people in the truck they could 292 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:18,259 have easily done that too probably ya 293 00:14:23,929 --> 00:14:22,170 know so Travis as as the truck took off 294 00:14:26,749 --> 00:14:23,939 did they see any type of direction the 295 00:14:28,639 --> 00:14:26,759 craft left in well they didn't see it 296 00:14:30,559 --> 00:14:28,649 leave until they were headed back and 297 00:14:33,230 --> 00:14:30,569 you know ken was saying when on the way 298 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:33,240 back that he is greatest fear was not 299 00:14:35,930 --> 00:14:34,410 that they were would 300 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:35,940 returner that they were still lurking 301 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:38,490 around but then what my body was going 302 00:14:42,410 --> 00:14:40,170 to look like cuz he was thinking it 303 00:14:44,420 --> 00:14:42,420 might be all charred and burned right so 304 00:14:46,670 --> 00:14:44,430 so you know when they went to the 305 00:14:48,889 --> 00:14:46,680 sheriff and they said he might be dead 306 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:48,899 you know that triggered a lot of 307 00:14:53,329 --> 00:14:51,810 suspicion you know that they had 308 00:14:57,019 --> 00:14:53,339 murdered me and we're just making up a 309 00:14:59,449 --> 00:14:57,029 crazy cover story but they really did to 310 00:15:03,650 --> 00:14:59,459 have reason to think that I I might have 311 00:15:06,429 --> 00:15:03,660 been killed in Travis how many miles 312 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:06,439 away where you found a few days later oh 313 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:11,970 10 or 15 miles away okay okay did trap 314 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:14,370 did you ever come in contact with the 315 00:15:21,170 --> 00:15:17,970 crew or the beans of the craft oh yeah 316 00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:21,180 yeah as soon as i got my wits about me 317 00:15:28,900 --> 00:15:24,480 and realized where I was you know first 318 00:15:32,569 --> 00:15:28,910 I thought I was on the hospital but then 319 00:15:34,809 --> 00:15:32,579 it was when I just turned and looked and 320 00:15:38,449 --> 00:15:34,819 could see that this was not a doctor 321 00:15:43,189 --> 00:15:38,459 this was a this creature standing over 322 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:43,199 me I just flipped out and you know I 323 00:15:51,050 --> 00:15:47,850 knew i wasn't in Kansas anymore no 324 00:15:54,590 --> 00:15:51,060 kidding can you can you describe what 325 00:15:58,069 --> 00:15:54,600 the what the bean look like and what 326 00:16:02,509 --> 00:15:58,079 kind of interaction transpired well they 327 00:16:06,230 --> 00:16:02,519 were short pale large-eyed hairless 328 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:06,240 beings you know nobody had the term 329 00:16:12,499 --> 00:16:10,170 greys back then and it's my personal 330 00:16:15,139 --> 00:16:12,509 opinion that a lot of what people are 331 00:16:17,329 --> 00:16:15,149 calling greys nowadays a really you know 332 00:16:20,030 --> 00:16:17,339 several different species at least 333 00:16:21,740 --> 00:16:20,040 several and you know people just have 334 00:16:23,870 --> 00:16:21,750 the tendency that you know with a 335 00:16:26,420 --> 00:16:23,880 similar description assumed that they're 336 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:26,430 all the same race from the same place 337 00:16:35,329 --> 00:16:31,290 but i I really don't think that's the 338 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:35,339 case did you see well more than one race 339 00:16:40,220 --> 00:16:38,370 on the ship Travis at all yeah um there 340 00:16:44,410 --> 00:16:40,230 was also some very human looking beings 341 00:16:48,230 --> 00:16:44,420 and you know even within the case of the 342 00:16:50,060 --> 00:16:48,240 what's called graze the skeptics 343 00:16:53,090 --> 00:16:50,070 are always trying to say well you know 344 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:53,100 something even vaguely humanoid in form 345 00:16:59,660 --> 00:16:55,970 is just beyond the statistical laws but 346 00:17:02,199 --> 00:16:59,670 on the contrary you know anything any 347 00:17:05,900 --> 00:17:02,209 creature that's going to develop in 348 00:17:10,069 --> 00:17:05,910 intelligence and be tool using is going 349 00:17:13,850 --> 00:17:10,079 to take on a similar form or that's what 350 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:13,860 comes about you know I did a lot of 351 00:17:17,809 --> 00:17:15,809 thinking about this you know ever every 352 00:17:19,490 --> 00:17:17,819 creature that comes to live in the sea 353 00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:19,500 comes to look like a fish even if 354 00:17:26,360 --> 00:17:22,319 they're not in remotely related to fish 355 00:17:28,540 --> 00:17:26,370 you know mammals amphibians are eating 356 00:17:31,549 --> 00:17:28,550 birds you know if they live in the sea 357 00:17:34,570 --> 00:17:31,559 they come to look very fish-like you 358 00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:34,580 know because that what works there so 359 00:17:41,900 --> 00:17:38,400 you know they've identified the 360 00:17:44,510 --> 00:17:41,910 conditions for life on other planets and 361 00:17:45,860 --> 00:17:44,520 way back you know like when before when 362 00:17:47,780 --> 00:17:45,870 this happened they didn't know of a 363 00:17:50,930 --> 00:17:47,790 single planet outside of our solar 364 00:17:52,730 --> 00:17:50,940 system right for sure but you know the 365 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:52,740 astronomers theorized that there were 366 00:17:56,870 --> 00:17:55,530 some but they their estimations were far 367 00:17:59,090 --> 00:17:56,880 there was this thing called the Drake 368 00:18:01,820 --> 00:17:59,100 Equation where they estimated the number 369 00:18:05,390 --> 00:18:01,830 of possible civilizations on our galaxy 370 00:18:08,030 --> 00:18:05,400 and you know just as as recently as the 371 00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:08,040 first cosmos series they they didn't 372 00:18:15,049 --> 00:18:12,510 really know just how numerous these 373 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:15,059 other planets are but just this last 374 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:16,890 year NASA said it's a virtual certainty 375 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:19,890 that almost every star has about a dozen 376 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:23,610 planets and that raises the number of 377 00:18:30,980 --> 00:18:27,450 life possibility planets into the 378 00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:30,990 billions just within our galaxy right 379 00:18:37,940 --> 00:18:36,000 right hey Travis did did the bean beans 380 00:18:42,290 --> 00:18:37,950 or beans communicate with you in any way 381 00:18:46,220 --> 00:18:42,300 shape or form well I was definitely you 382 00:18:48,410 --> 00:18:46,230 know screaming threats and and you know 383 00:18:51,020 --> 00:18:48,420 I was so terrified I was just you know I 384 00:18:53,390 --> 00:18:51,030 didn't want him to come any closer and I 385 00:18:59,299 --> 00:18:53,400 do think they were trying to do some 386 00:19:01,549 --> 00:18:59,309 kind of a telepathic thing but their 387 00:19:05,370 --> 00:19:01,559 stare seemed to 388 00:19:08,940 --> 00:19:05,380 come with it up this excruciating 389 00:19:12,510 --> 00:19:08,950 feeling in my head and I think they were 390 00:19:15,390 --> 00:19:12,520 trying to assert control and it wasn't 391 00:19:17,460 --> 00:19:15,400 working and I think it was because the 392 00:19:20,100 --> 00:19:17,470 energy that being had done some 393 00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:20,110 neurological disturbance that was making 394 00:19:25,410 --> 00:19:22,240 it to where it wouldn't work and even 395 00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:25,420 the three of them combining this effort 396 00:19:31,230 --> 00:19:28,480 it just was painful for me but they they 397 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:31,240 couldn't control me so they left but 398 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:34,570 what supports the idea that I'm trying 399 00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:36,610 to theory that i'm giving you there is 400 00:19:42,900 --> 00:19:40,240 is the EEG the brainwave skin I was 401 00:19:47,390 --> 00:19:42,910 given after I was returned mm-hmm part 402 00:19:52,380 --> 00:19:47,400 of my medical exam and there was a an 403 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:52,390 unusual pattern there and the plan is to 404 00:19:59,160 --> 00:19:54,850 try to go back and see if that's still 405 00:20:02,240 --> 00:19:59,170 there but it's kind of uncertain what 406 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:02,250 the value that's going to be because um 407 00:20:05,700 --> 00:20:04,450 somebody here just the other day 408 00:20:07,860 --> 00:20:05,710 suggested well what if that was 409 00:20:11,310 --> 00:20:07,870 something that you already had to start 410 00:20:13,620 --> 00:20:11,320 with you know mm-hmm and you know some 411 00:20:17,490 --> 00:20:13,630 sort of a anomaly that keeps him from 412 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:17,500 controlling you you know there's a maybe 413 00:20:21,900 --> 00:20:18,970 that's even why they were interested in 414 00:20:25,860 --> 00:20:21,910 you but I go more of a theory that the 415 00:20:28,650 --> 00:20:25,870 beam cost some kind of abnormality you 416 00:20:33,090 --> 00:20:28,660 see here a while back I was being filmed 417 00:20:38,100 --> 00:20:33,100 for the new UFO research movie it's 418 00:20:41,910 --> 00:20:38,110 called 701 the movie and that refers to 419 00:20:45,540 --> 00:20:41,920 the 701 unresolved cases from Project 420 00:20:47,820 --> 00:20:45,550 Blue Book and on the day I was being 421 00:20:50,940 --> 00:20:47,830 interviewed I had a chance to talk to 422 00:20:54,180 --> 00:20:50,950 some of the school kids from Zimbabwe oh 423 00:20:57,450 --> 00:20:54,190 you know like 60 kids at recess in the 424 00:20:59,460 --> 00:20:57,460 middle of the day crafting down and all 425 00:21:01,650 --> 00:20:59,470 these kids you know all these years have 426 00:21:07,230 --> 00:21:01,660 maintained that this happened you know 427 00:21:10,050 --> 00:21:07,240 and these beings got out and did the 428 00:21:12,750 --> 00:21:10,060 stair thing Adam like with me but I 429 00:21:14,820 --> 00:21:12,760 asked her you know was it painful and 430 00:21:15,330 --> 00:21:14,830 she said no but it wasn't painful at all 431 00:21:19,740 --> 00:21:15,340 it was 432 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:19,750 very peaceful friendly message there so 433 00:21:24,780 --> 00:21:21,490 I'm thinking that the reason that was 434 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:24,790 painful is good applying an amount of 435 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:29,050 force that just wasn't working Travis do 436 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:32,130 you think you suffered PTSD from this oh 437 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:34,210 definitely but of course they didn't 438 00:21:38,820 --> 00:21:36,010 have that turn back great right right 439 00:21:40,740 --> 00:21:38,830 yeah right call me shell shock or 440 00:21:43,530 --> 00:21:40,750 something like that but yeah I 441 00:21:46,500 --> 00:21:43,540 definitely you know had trouble for 442 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:46,510 years and the nightmares really did 443 00:21:53,010 --> 00:21:49,690 center around that stare and that that 444 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:53,020 intrusive feeling that gave me okay 445 00:21:56,370 --> 00:21:54,850 Travis I'm going to cover a couple 446 00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:56,380 questions from chat and then we're going 447 00:22:01,140 --> 00:21:58,240 to talk about your upcoming conference 448 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:01,150 aam did they find any type of residue or 449 00:22:04,860 --> 00:22:02,650 any type of evidence on your clothing 450 00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:04,870 well you didn't wait now you didn't come 451 00:22:08,940 --> 00:22:07,120 back and clothing did you well know that 452 00:22:11,730 --> 00:22:08,950 was just a movie okay you know what 453 00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:11,740 would you got to be naked sure I'll have 454 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:15,760 my same clothes on okay and actually you 455 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:17,410 know they did have the forethought to 456 00:22:22,980 --> 00:22:19,810 you know carefully bag those up for 457 00:22:25,470 --> 00:22:22,990 later exam but you know with all the 458 00:22:30,300 --> 00:22:25,480 pressure and hubbub suddenly became you 459 00:22:33,930 --> 00:22:30,310 know you know this whole accusation 460 00:22:36,570 --> 00:22:33,940 thing and the the bag of clothes was put 461 00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:36,580 into the trunk and some tools got thrown 462 00:22:40,770 --> 00:22:39,280 in on top of tore open the bag and by 463 00:22:43,260 --> 00:22:40,780 the time they got around to thinking 464 00:22:46,050 --> 00:22:43,270 about that that you know the evidence 465 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:46,060 had been prima contaminated nobody 466 00:22:50,250 --> 00:22:48,370 followed through on that hmm amazing 467 00:22:55,020 --> 00:22:50,260 amazing you know what's amazing how much 468 00:22:59,030 --> 00:22:55,030 research just was overlooked in at the 469 00:23:02,970 --> 00:22:59,040 time part of that was under funding and 470 00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:02,980 even even when the remarkable tree 471 00:23:08,340 --> 00:23:05,200 growth the accelerated growth of the 472 00:23:10,050 --> 00:23:08,350 trees nearest where the craft of it even 473 00:23:12,690 --> 00:23:10,060 when that was discovered there wasn't it 474 00:23:15,870 --> 00:23:12,700 took years to get follow-up and we're 475 00:23:18,030 --> 00:23:15,880 still following up on it well the 476 00:23:21,030 --> 00:23:18,040 increasing the understanding of what 477 00:23:22,350 --> 00:23:21,040 happened there no are you thinking we 478 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:22,360 have another question from this is bill 479 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:23,650 from New York are you thinking of doing 480 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:27,250 another remake of the movie yeah i've 481 00:23:31,389 --> 00:23:29,210 actually been approached by several 482 00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:31,399 makers interested in the possibility and 483 00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:33,440 there's nothing solid yet but I would 484 00:23:39,220 --> 00:23:36,080 love to have one I've collected hundreds 485 00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:39,230 of emails from people who you know have 486 00:23:46,930 --> 00:23:43,520 expressed the desire that a remake me 487 00:23:49,659 --> 00:23:46,940 mood made that would be more in keeping 488 00:23:51,370 --> 00:23:49,669 with what actually happened so you know 489 00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:51,380 Hollywood loves our remake and I think 490 00:23:56,919 --> 00:23:55,370 it's gonna come it'll happen ken can go 491 00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:56,929 ahead if you got one more last question 492 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:01,840 then what and then hey aside from the 493 00:24:07,149 --> 00:24:05,570 psychological aspect of a Trappist what 494 00:24:08,919 --> 00:24:07,159 about fist did you suffer any type of 495 00:24:11,289 --> 00:24:08,929 physical injuries that you're aware of 496 00:24:13,060 --> 00:24:11,299 and I guess where I'm going with this is 497 00:24:16,659 --> 00:24:13,070 do you think they implanted anything to 498 00:24:19,090 --> 00:24:16,669 you well I have upper body x rays that 499 00:24:22,210 --> 00:24:19,100 didn't reveal anything and you know in 500 00:24:24,519 --> 00:24:22,220 in this particular experience you know I 501 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:24,529 said rather than calling it an abduction 502 00:24:31,450 --> 00:24:28,490 I'd call it a rescue or an ambulance 503 00:24:35,380 --> 00:24:31,460 call so they may not even have the same 504 00:24:38,260 --> 00:24:35,390 idea as far as implantation you know um 505 00:24:41,049 --> 00:24:38,270 whole different purpose right talk about 506 00:24:42,570 --> 00:24:41,059 the alien agenda in the singular and I 507 00:24:44,830 --> 00:24:42,580 think it was probably a number of 508 00:24:48,610 --> 00:24:44,840 probably as many agendas as there are 509 00:24:49,870 --> 00:24:48,620 species right right Travis why don't you 510 00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,880 tell her listeners about your upcoming 511 00:24:53,500 --> 00:24:51,679 conference and you know all the 512 00:24:54,820 --> 00:24:53,510 information you get your guests you're 513 00:24:59,080 --> 00:24:54,830 going to have their go ahead and shoot 514 00:25:01,180 --> 00:24:59,090 away well I'd like to first of all and 515 00:25:07,060 --> 00:25:01,190 like people to go to the website which 516 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:07,070 is WWII our summit calm and for all the 517 00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:10,490 details there but this is going to be on 518 00:25:16,029 --> 00:25:13,760 the 39th anniversary and we're having an 519 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:16,039 early sky watch on the 5th but that's 520 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:19,450 completely sold out actually overbooked 521 00:25:25,930 --> 00:25:23,450 but and then we'll have another sky 522 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:25,940 watch during the conference now the 523 00:25:31,539 --> 00:25:28,250 anniversary is is the first early 524 00:25:34,269 --> 00:25:31,549 exclusive Skywatch and that was it will 525 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:34,279 be on the theft and then the actual 526 00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:37,010 conference with the speakers is 7th 8th 527 00:25:43,090 --> 00:25:42,320 and 9th and we got a lot of the top name 528 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:43,100 speakers 529 00:25:48,940 --> 00:25:47,450 and today we'll have a banquet dinner 530 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:48,950 with the speakers the first night and 531 00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:52,330 then on Saturday night we'll do another 532 00:25:59,289 --> 00:25:56,049 skywatch that's extremely popular 533 00:26:02,409 --> 00:25:59,299 because we will be you know going to the 534 00:26:04,060 --> 00:26:02,419 site which is you know pretty unique and 535 00:26:05,890 --> 00:26:04,070 you never even ever been back have you 536 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:05,900 been back to the site at night and all 537 00:26:13,659 --> 00:26:09,850 that no I tried to avoid try to avoid 538 00:26:16,090 --> 00:26:13,669 and the combination of being there at 539 00:26:17,860 --> 00:26:16,100 night and on the anniversary is 540 00:26:21,700 --> 00:26:17,870 something that got me a little nervous 541 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:21,710 but I'll be in the company of others I'm 542 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:25,970 help I hope so it is certainly want a 543 00:26:33,180 --> 00:26:29,570 reoccurrence that's for sure hey real 544 00:26:37,419 --> 00:26:33,190 quickly the these these beans I mean 545 00:26:40,510 --> 00:26:37,429 they're they're here and they are coming 546 00:26:44,169 --> 00:26:40,520 and going as they please Travis what do 547 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:44,179 you think their agenda is I know that it 548 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:45,890 may have been a rescue with you and you 549 00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:47,570 may have inadvertently stumbled in de 550 00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:50,000 overall overall you know brazzers 551 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:52,159 variety different species and I've had a 552 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:54,530 lot of years to think about this you 553 00:26:58,029 --> 00:26:56,690 know skeptics are always pushing one end 554 00:26:59,649 --> 00:26:58,039 of the spectrum saying well if they're 555 00:27:01,539 --> 00:26:59,659 really here they would land on the White 556 00:27:05,710 --> 00:27:01,549 House lawn and say here we are you know 557 00:27:08,020 --> 00:27:05,720 but they're not doing that and what 558 00:27:10,090 --> 00:27:08,030 nobody seems to suggest and Michio Kaku 559 00:27:13,899 --> 00:27:10,100 was saying you know people keep acting 560 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:13,909 like these civilizations or maybe a few 561 00:27:17,649 --> 00:27:15,890 hundred years ahead of us but based on 562 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:17,659 the age of the star systems they could 563 00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:19,370 be hundreds of thousands or millions of 564 00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:21,710 years ahead of us so like arthur c 565 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:23,840 clarke said you know sufficiently 566 00:27:28,419 --> 00:27:25,490 advanced technology would be 567 00:27:31,659 --> 00:27:28,429 indistinguishable from magic magic right 568 00:27:33,399 --> 00:27:31,669 oh my theory is on the opposite end of 569 00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:33,409 the spectrum from them landing on the 570 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:35,510 White House lawn I believe that they 571 00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:37,010 would be capable of doing everything 572 00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:39,679 that they do here and remain completely 573 00:27:46,210 --> 00:27:42,289 undetected there would be no no use a 574 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:46,220 UFO phenomenon at all and you know it 575 00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:48,530 with that under their control then it's 576 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:50,960 obvious to me in my own thinking mice 577 00:27:57,090 --> 00:27:54,290 this theory is that they are in control 578 00:28:01,650 --> 00:27:57,100 of the degree of the sightings 579 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:01,660 and that we know they can fly without 580 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:03,850 being lit up we know that they can be 581 00:28:13,289 --> 00:28:07,809 invisible to radar uh you know being 582 00:28:15,870 --> 00:28:13,299 being lit and being visible arm do just 583 00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:15,880 this kind of a hide-and-seek sort of 584 00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:18,880 peekaboo almost provable in case after 585 00:28:26,490 --> 00:28:22,720 case after case is designed to condition 586 00:28:29,310 --> 00:28:26,500 us in my thinking to the reality without 587 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:29,320 the shock of you know landing on the 588 00:28:33,060 --> 00:28:30,970 White House lawn if that were to happen 589 00:28:36,210 --> 00:28:33,070 you know most the world wouldn't even go 590 00:28:39,210 --> 00:28:36,220 to work the next day way the extremely 591 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:39,220 high optic right right Travis we got one 592 00:28:42,750 --> 00:28:40,690 more question from one of our favorite 593 00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:42,760 supporters Marilyn Carlson did you did 594 00:28:45,930 --> 00:28:44,289 they find any burn marks on your 595 00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:45,940 clothing and have you had any well it's 596 00:28:50,850 --> 00:28:47,289 a double question and have you had any 597 00:28:53,940 --> 00:28:50,860 hypnosis done yes I did undergo hypnosis 598 00:28:56,190 --> 00:28:53,950 the main objective there was two 599 00:28:58,590 --> 00:28:56,200 separate this incredible fear from the 600 00:29:01,950 --> 00:28:58,600 memories which allowed me to you know 601 00:29:04,169 --> 00:29:01,960 express and relate to others but for the 602 00:29:06,450 --> 00:29:04,179 first time what had happened and no 603 00:29:10,169 --> 00:29:06,460 there were no burn marks on my body and 604 00:29:15,899 --> 00:29:10,179 no physical evidence of this blast of 605 00:29:17,490 --> 00:29:15,909 energy and you know one skeptic was 606 00:29:19,049 --> 00:29:17,500 saying well if they're two really been 607 00:29:21,149 --> 00:29:19,059 the energy my clothes would have caught 608 00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:21,159 fire well that's just absurd because you 609 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:23,049 don't know the nature of the energy at 610 00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,960 tasered and not really catch the clothes 611 00:29:37,620 --> 00:29:35,919 on fire but it doesn't oh I've been you 612 00:29:39,899 --> 00:29:37,630 know my backgrounds law enforcement I've 613 00:29:41,730 --> 00:29:39,909 been tasered in training several times 614 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:41,740 and it does not leave any marks and it 615 00:29:47,419 --> 00:29:43,330 doesn't burn your skin and it doesn't 616 00:29:49,919 --> 00:29:47,429 burn your clothes so you know yeah the 617 00:29:51,870 --> 00:29:49,929 the nature of the energy has to do with 618 00:29:55,230 --> 00:29:51,880 the amount of energy and with the 619 00:29:58,649 --> 00:29:55,240 proportion of amperage two volts and you 620 00:30:00,120 --> 00:29:58,659 know that's the you know that's neither 621 00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:00,130 here nor there since we don't know the 622 00:30:04,380 --> 00:30:02,559 nature of the injury alright energy is 623 00:30:06,090 --> 00:30:04,390 what it's going to say right well Travis 624 00:30:08,010 --> 00:30:06,100 one more time let them know where your 625 00:30:09,299 --> 00:30:08,020 conference site is again and we thank 626 00:30:10,010 --> 00:30:09,309 you very much for being on the air 627 00:30:15,490 --> 00:30:10,020 tonight 628 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:15,500 yeah go to ww skyfire summit calm and 629 00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:18,210 this is really going to be historic it's 630 00:30:23,150 --> 00:30:20,960 got some very interesting people coming 631 00:30:25,100 --> 00:30:23,160 perfect well Travis thank you for 632 00:30:29,540 --> 00:30:25,110 jumping in for that yes means a lot to 633 00:30:31,820 --> 00:30:29,550 us yep okay okay later thank you ok 634 00:30:33,470 --> 00:30:31,830 service appreciate it appreciate it okay 635 00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:33,480 folks we'll be right back with Roger 636 00:30:38,570 --> 00:30:36,240 Phillips so hang in there planet Earth 637 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:38,580 welcome back to pain radio tonight we 638 00:30:44,180 --> 00:30:41,010 have on our second guest Roger Phillips 639 00:30:46,610 --> 00:30:44,190 joined us Roger Roger does look cool 640 00:30:50,060 --> 00:30:46,620 sculptures and alien cartoons from the 641 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:50,070 gray zone of he's got a interesting 642 00:30:56,150 --> 00:30:53,490 piece even on a ER a TV show but we'll 643 00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:56,160 talk about all that and more and welcome 644 00:31:01,640 --> 00:30:58,410 Roger to the show thank you so much guys 645 00:31:03,050 --> 00:31:01,650 for having me Oh our pleasure and thanks 646 00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:03,060 for coming on and sharing your 647 00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:05,940 experiences with this oh I'm very happy 648 00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:08,880 to be here so Roger Roger go ahead go 649 00:31:13,820 --> 00:31:11,580 ahead don't know yep I sure proceeded go 650 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:13,830 ahead oh yeah Roger what what what what 651 00:31:18,740 --> 00:31:15,930 gave you this idea what what inspired 652 00:31:21,020 --> 00:31:18,750 you to do this this alien sculpture in 653 00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:21,030 this art well you know it all started a 654 00:31:25,130 --> 00:31:22,710 few years ago I used to be a product 655 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:25,140 designer for a trophy and medal company 656 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:27,090 and we were making these resin 657 00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:28,890 sculptures for our customers and clients 658 00:31:33,650 --> 00:31:31,740 and it's amazing what kind of detail you 659 00:31:36,830 --> 00:31:33,660 can get out of these things and after I 660 00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,840 left that job I uh I needed something to 661 00:31:41,060 --> 00:31:39,120 do and I I traveled frequently to China 662 00:31:43,670 --> 00:31:41,070 where all these things are producers you 663 00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:43,680 could imagine and you know I said to my 664 00:31:47,150 --> 00:31:45,240 dad you know what could I you know what 665 00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:47,160 could I do on my own and you know I need 666 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:48,960 a subject matter he said how about we 667 00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:50,130 both were very interested in the subject 668 00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:52,860 of the you know aliens visiting the 669 00:31:57,050 --> 00:31:55,110 earth and we were fans of hangar 18 you 670 00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:57,060 know that movie and close encounters of 671 00:32:00,650 --> 00:31:58,650 the third kind and so he said how about 672 00:32:04,010 --> 00:32:00,660 something you know with real detail and 673 00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:04,020 real you know you know authenticity you 674 00:32:08,060 --> 00:32:06,120 know in with that subject rather than 675 00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:08,070 the stuff that was readily available 676 00:32:12,410 --> 00:32:10,440 like little you know koozies that hold 677 00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:12,420 your beer cold and keychains and 678 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:15,120 stickers so that's how the whole idea 679 00:32:19,910 --> 00:32:18,330 was born now have you yourself had an 680 00:32:21,530 --> 00:32:19,920 experienced or seen anything in the sky 681 00:32:23,630 --> 00:32:21,540 that's a question I'll used I'd like to 682 00:32:25,820 --> 00:32:23,640 ask every every guest on the show 683 00:32:27,860 --> 00:32:25,830 I did it was about nineteen eighty-five 684 00:32:29,780 --> 00:32:27,870 and and I'm sure most of your audience 685 00:32:31,850 --> 00:32:29,790 is familiar with that famous sighting in 686 00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:31,860 the Hudson Valley area of New York of 687 00:32:36,590 --> 00:32:34,110 upstate New York and we have a famous 688 00:32:39,860 --> 00:32:36,600 Parkway it's called the Taconic Parkway 689 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:39,870 and it goes from Albany all the way down 690 00:32:43,970 --> 00:32:42,330 to New York City and there are these 691 00:32:46,460 --> 00:32:43,980 power lines these high you know high 692 00:32:49,370 --> 00:32:46,470 power power lines you know that run by 693 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:49,380 con Edison and one evening my friend 694 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:50,610 called me up and he said you but you 695 00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:52,170 gotta go outside there's this huge 696 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:55,440 object floating this guy silently you 697 00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:56,490 know it looks like it's a few hundred 698 00:33:00,800 --> 00:32:58,170 feet over your head and it looks giant 699 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:00,810 so my dad and I ran out in our backyard 700 00:33:04,460 --> 00:33:03,090 and it was you know pitch black and the 701 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:04,470 whole neighborhood had come out and 702 00:33:10,730 --> 00:33:07,170 there's at large boomerang shaped object 703 00:33:13,340 --> 00:33:10,740 you know gliding silently overhead and 704 00:33:15,620 --> 00:33:13,350 it's just nice and easily you know when 705 00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:15,630 over our house and it was a clear night 706 00:33:21,740 --> 00:33:17,940 and it just blocked out all the stars 707 00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:21,750 behind it and and we were standing there 708 00:33:26,270 --> 00:33:23,880 dumbstruck you know at this object that 709 00:33:29,540 --> 00:33:26,280 was moving silently you know kind of 710 00:33:31,370 --> 00:33:29,550 elegantly over over our heads and the 711 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:31,380 next day in school all the kids talked 712 00:33:35,870 --> 00:33:33,330 about it you know because we at all hold 713 00:33:37,820 --> 00:33:35,880 one another and that was the closest 714 00:33:40,220 --> 00:33:37,830 time I've ever seen you know just 715 00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:40,230 something something like that well 716 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:42,960 amazing so did anybody else witness it 717 00:33:46,460 --> 00:33:44,850 that night when you were yes that was 718 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:46,470 considered one of the largest mass 719 00:33:51,230 --> 00:33:48,690 sightings in the in the history of the 720 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:51,240 United States I mean it was a there for 721 00:33:55,490 --> 00:33:53,970 a while it was a hotbed of viewer UFO 722 00:33:56,900 --> 00:33:55,500 activity i remember there and didn't 723 00:33:58,820 --> 00:33:56,910 they try to explain that that it was a 724 00:34:01,400 --> 00:33:58,830 bunch of hand gliders with but Ryan 725 00:34:04,490 --> 00:34:01,410 Lilja lights ultra lights and I mean 726 00:34:06,110 --> 00:34:04,500 formation and first of all that dead 727 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:06,120 silent you know if they're ultra lights 728 00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:07,410 they have those propellers on the back 729 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:08,730 and they they make a kind of a racket 730 00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,490 you know and they were in you know the 731 00:34:15,020 --> 00:34:13,919 lights were not moving i think even 732 00:34:17,690 --> 00:34:15,030 though even like you know the blue 733 00:34:21,020 --> 00:34:17,700 angels can't keep that perfect precision 734 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:21,030 and and like i said as it went over head 735 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:23,850 in between the lights it would it would 736 00:34:31,250 --> 00:34:27,450 block out the Starlight behind it so it 737 00:34:33,260 --> 00:34:31,260 was a large slow-moving silent object 738 00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:33,270 yeah and you got a beam for all 739 00:34:37,070 --> 00:34:35,310 practical purposes you got a close-up 740 00:34:39,140 --> 00:34:37,080 view of it it went to wreck 741 00:34:41,060 --> 00:34:39,150 we overhead directly overhead you know 742 00:34:42,860 --> 00:34:41,070 literally over has our house you know 743 00:34:45,740 --> 00:34:42,870 when I was growing up was right near 744 00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:45,750 those high power wires and it followed 745 00:34:50,570 --> 00:34:48,240 that path you know heading south you 746 00:34:53,180 --> 00:34:50,580 know from North going south towards New 747 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:53,190 York City and it decide he's just 748 00:34:57,790 --> 00:34:55,170 continued as it went along you know all 749 00:35:03,100 --> 00:34:57,800 these people reported seeing it right 750 00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:03,110 and I I think from a number of witnesses 751 00:35:08,330 --> 00:35:05,460 including several law enforcement you 752 00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:08,340 can rule out that it was ultra lights I 753 00:35:13,940 --> 00:35:11,820 never they did fly and they did fly in a 754 00:35:15,590 --> 00:35:13,950 in a triangular formation but they 755 00:35:17,870 --> 00:35:15,600 weren't they weren't anywhere close to 756 00:35:19,940 --> 00:35:17,880 what people were describing and what 757 00:35:22,340 --> 00:35:19,950 they saw right and you know the lights 758 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:22,350 changed and you know changed color and 759 00:35:29,090 --> 00:35:25,890 they was just so precise and steady and 760 00:35:30,740 --> 00:35:29,100 silent you know and close that was the 761 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:30,750 the whole creepy thing about it you know 762 00:35:35,690 --> 00:35:32,610 me the hairs on the back your neck stand 763 00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,700 up it was just you know just some kind 764 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:37,920 of strange thing that is you know not of 765 00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,930 this earth you know you that's what the 766 00:35:42,860 --> 00:35:41,280 feeling you got you know like when 767 00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:42,870 you've seen something you've never seen 768 00:35:50,090 --> 00:35:47,310 before it's quite an experience yeah 769 00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:50,100 it's a it's a no well moment that's for 770 00:35:54,590 --> 00:35:52,710 sure yeah oh absolutely yeah so that 771 00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:54,600 that that is a huge inspiration but 772 00:35:58,850 --> 00:35:56,730 behind what you started so well so what 773 00:36:01,220 --> 00:35:58,860 is the first thing you created what what 774 00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:01,230 came to mind okay well you know the 775 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:02,880 first thing was I said let's make some 776 00:36:09,170 --> 00:36:05,850 scenes from famous uh you know moments 777 00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:09,180 in alien and UFO history uh so the very 778 00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:11,280 first one was a sculpture called a barn 779 00:36:15,170 --> 00:36:13,260 encounter and you know we know that 780 00:36:18,260 --> 00:36:15,180 famous story of the farmer that captured 781 00:36:20,420 --> 00:36:18,270 alive alien and he hit him away in the 782 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:20,430 barn so that was the first image I had 783 00:36:23,980 --> 00:36:22,410 created like of sculpture and the aliens 784 00:36:27,740 --> 00:36:23,990 kind of peeking out of the the barn door 785 00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:27,750 you know and then from that came had 786 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:29,430 another sculpture called hangar 18 787 00:36:34,010 --> 00:36:31,650 encounter at hangar 18 and everybody's 788 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:34,020 familiar with that scene of you know the 789 00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,930 the ship being kept inside the area 51 790 00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,640 and I made it a little bit whimsical 791 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:40,320 that the aliens kind of trying to sneak 792 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:42,330 back in and get his shipping you know 793 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:46,770 get the heck out of the earth and if you 794 00:36:50,660 --> 00:36:48,450 want to tell our listeners about a 795 00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:50,670 little love that little hanger 796 00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:52,710 sculpture the little fun a great story 797 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:54,180 behind that we'll go ahead let our 798 00:36:59,810 --> 00:36:57,690 listeners know sure so uh maybe most 799 00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:59,820 people are familiar with the the CBS 800 00:37:04,580 --> 00:37:01,680 show called the big bang theory and it's 801 00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:04,590 about it's kind of a comedy and they're 802 00:37:07,580 --> 00:37:06,480 all scientists and astrophysicists and 803 00:37:09,790 --> 00:37:07,590 that sort of thing and I noticed that 804 00:37:13,460 --> 00:37:09,800 one of the characters Raj Koothrappali 805 00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:13,470 he has a condo and in the condo our 806 00:37:18,170 --> 00:37:15,660 telescopes and and you know sculptures 807 00:37:20,420 --> 00:37:18,180 of UFOs and you know kind of space and 808 00:37:22,460 --> 00:37:20,430 alien related things and then I 809 00:37:24,860 --> 00:37:22,470 contacted the set designer of the show 810 00:37:27,350 --> 00:37:24,870 and I said look you know I'm a I'm a new 811 00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:27,360 guy I'm creating these these statues and 812 00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,710 I'm a big fan of the show and I noticed 813 00:37:34,210 --> 00:37:30,720 you know this character has this you 814 00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:34,220 know um it's great-looking you know a 815 00:37:38,180 --> 00:37:36,000 apartment you know would you be willing 816 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:38,190 to put my piece in there and he said 817 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:39,930 yeah you know I like the hangar 18 they 818 00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:42,690 ordered 1i sent it to him and the 819 00:37:47,450 --> 00:37:44,910 following season it was right you know 820 00:37:51,260 --> 00:37:47,460 prominently placed in Raj's apartment 821 00:37:54,020 --> 00:37:51,270 and there was a Catwoman bust you know 822 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:54,030 statue beforehand and they moved it out 823 00:37:57,380 --> 00:37:56,130 of the way and in in a real nice spot 824 00:37:59,300 --> 00:37:57,390 they they put it and they lit it up 825 00:38:02,000 --> 00:37:59,310 really great and I was jumped out of my 826 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:02,010 pants when I saw I saw it on TV it was a 827 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:04,650 very exciting moment that's awesome 828 00:38:07,820 --> 00:38:06,210 that's all everybody everybody when you 829 00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:07,830 watch the big bang theory watch watch 830 00:38:11,390 --> 00:38:10,110 for Rogers sculpture there on the show 831 00:38:12,740 --> 00:38:11,400 yeah you'll see it it's still there i'm 832 00:38:15,140 --> 00:38:12,750 happy to say about three seasons now 833 00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:15,150 three seasons now yeah it's pretty neat 834 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:17,430 so that one oh that's that's awesome a 835 00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:19,170 little feather in the cap perfect 836 00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:21,510 perfect no no what is your favorite UFO 837 00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:25,140 case you know what I I keep going back 838 00:38:30,140 --> 00:38:27,900 to that hangar 18 incident you know when 839 00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,150 I was younger with my dad we went to the 840 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:32,640 to the movie of course and and that was 841 00:38:36,860 --> 00:38:34,650 the the mo you know I'm so fascinated 842 00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,870 with area 51 and and a lot of my 843 00:38:41,090 --> 00:38:38,640 cartoons we'll talk about that later 844 00:38:44,450 --> 00:38:41,100 they they kind of sent around that area 845 00:38:46,130 --> 00:38:44,460 51 so that's my most favorite you know 846 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:46,140 moment you know when in the crash 847 00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:47,930 landing at Roswell you know that really 848 00:38:54,860 --> 00:38:52,110 set it all off and I had a few friends 849 00:38:57,230 --> 00:38:54,870 and fans of mine who were kind enough to 850 00:39:01,160 --> 00:38:57,240 to bring my sculptures and books to that 851 00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:01,170 famous little cafe called a little alien 852 00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:04,079 yah yah yah they were kind 853 00:39:08,690 --> 00:39:05,609 and I got some photos they sent me from 854 00:39:12,229 --> 00:39:08,700 there so anything related to to Nevada 855 00:39:15,140 --> 00:39:12,239 that's I'm that's mama fan of I've eaten 856 00:39:16,999 --> 00:39:15,150 several hamburgers at the alien have you 857 00:39:18,349 --> 00:39:17,009 Wow yeah I'm a little jealous that I'd 858 00:39:20,089 --> 00:39:18,359 like to get out there someday they have 859 00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:20,099 a great convention out there so I'd like 860 00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:21,900 to get out there someday yeah that's 861 00:39:27,890 --> 00:39:24,209 definitely on my bucket list absolutely 862 00:39:30,759 --> 00:39:27,900 absolutely now have you um have you ever 863 00:39:33,380 --> 00:39:30,769 been to area 51 or been down that road 864 00:39:34,910 --> 00:39:33,390 never been down there and you know every 865 00:39:37,370 --> 00:39:34,920 year I say to myself this is gonna be 866 00:39:39,049 --> 00:39:37,380 the year I'm gonna go you know and they 867 00:39:40,549 --> 00:39:39,059 invited me you know the to exhibit my 868 00:39:42,499 --> 00:39:40,559 stuff so that was nice of them I just 869 00:39:44,259 --> 00:39:42,509 got to get my butt out there you know 870 00:39:46,489 --> 00:39:44,269 bring some statues bring the books and 871 00:39:49,309 --> 00:39:46,499 you know of course i'd like to see all 872 00:39:50,989 --> 00:39:49,319 the famous sights and you know i'm sure 873 00:39:52,609 --> 00:39:50,999 to be a great inspiration just talk to 874 00:39:54,799 --> 00:39:52,619 the people and you know get more ideas 875 00:39:57,620 --> 00:39:54,809 for new new cartoons and your sculptures 876 00:40:01,160 --> 00:39:57,630 mm-hmm so currently are your cartoons in 877 00:40:04,279 --> 00:40:01,170 any any knob newspapers yes not 878 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:04,289 surprisingly they are printed weekly in 879 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:07,890 the Roswell daily record nice yeah so 880 00:40:12,709 --> 00:40:10,170 that was a nice again you know took a 881 00:40:14,359 --> 00:40:12,719 lot of nagging on my part I guess 882 00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:14,369 anybody who knows what it's like to try 883 00:40:18,529 --> 00:40:16,319 to get published or printed you know get 884 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:18,539 your work out there you have to become a 885 00:40:22,279 --> 00:40:19,890 pest and you know you have to kind of 886 00:40:24,109 --> 00:40:22,289 overcome that that you know you know 887 00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:24,119 aversion to being nagging you know 888 00:40:29,150 --> 00:40:27,089 someone but finally they gave in a new 889 00:40:31,069 --> 00:40:29,160 editor came in and he liked my work and 890 00:40:34,370 --> 00:40:31,079 he was nice enough to to put it out 891 00:40:35,359 --> 00:40:34,380 there and uh oh woman I became friendly 892 00:40:37,099 --> 00:40:35,369 with through the internet which is 893 00:40:39,650 --> 00:40:37,109 amazing you know this new new era we 894 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:39,660 live in she liked the work and then she 895 00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:41,249 put in a good word for me and she's the 896 00:40:45,799 --> 00:40:43,680 lifestyle and business editor and boom 897 00:40:48,170 --> 00:40:45,809 you know it got it got in and now I have 898 00:40:49,759 --> 00:40:48,180 a steady gig you know not surprising it 899 00:40:52,099 --> 00:40:49,769 at the Roswell daily record and it's 900 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:52,109 printed every week in their paper that's 901 00:40:55,789 --> 00:40:53,729 awesome are we live we do have a 902 00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:55,799 question from chat Roger this is from 903 00:40:59,959 --> 00:40:58,079 Bill from New York are you still on the 904 00:41:02,749 --> 00:40:59,969 East Coast and where can you see your 905 00:41:04,279 --> 00:41:02,759 exhibits well you know what I don't 906 00:41:07,150 --> 00:41:04,289 really exhibit things like a traditional 907 00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:07,160 artist would do I I go every year a 908 00:41:13,219 --> 00:41:10,640 close to me is a pine bush New York and 909 00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:13,229 they're a sub they call it the Roswell 910 00:41:17,630 --> 00:41:15,119 of the East Coast and it's growing you 911 00:41:19,549 --> 00:41:17,640 know there was a famous sighting 912 00:41:22,339 --> 00:41:19,559 other of an actual you know alien 913 00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:22,349 creature in Pine Bush and now it's 914 00:41:26,809 --> 00:41:24,660 becoming this huge mecca for people on 915 00:41:29,509 --> 00:41:26,819 this side and so every year I go there 916 00:41:31,099 --> 00:41:29,519 it's in May and you can come come out 917 00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:31,109 and see me there so I always bring my 918 00:41:35,779 --> 00:41:32,730 stuff and I exhibit my work there in 919 00:41:40,539 --> 00:41:35,789 Pine Bush New York that is that is 920 00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:40,549 awesome say a roger has anybody from the 921 00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:44,910 Hollywood sector contacted you in 922 00:41:49,789 --> 00:41:48,240 regards to doing anything not yet you 923 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:49,799 know I'm waiting for my I feel like you 924 00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:51,450 know that all those actors in Hollywood 925 00:41:56,059 --> 00:41:54,000 there are very soon other waiters and 926 00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:56,069 then they were right up bump bump 927 00:41:59,690 --> 00:41:57,839 shoulders with the with the producers 928 00:42:01,579 --> 00:41:59,700 nothing at you know what my approach was 929 00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:01,589 I was thinking I said let me put it up 930 00:42:05,420 --> 00:42:03,119 on facebook every day you know I do a 931 00:42:08,839 --> 00:42:05,430 new cartoon every day and that I you 932 00:42:10,789 --> 00:42:08,849 know I got a little over 12,000 um likes 933 00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:10,799 you know so far and you know a lot of 934 00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:14,880 readers and last year George Takei you 935 00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:18,089 know Star Trek mm-hmm mr. mr. Sulu yeah 936 00:42:23,269 --> 00:42:20,250 he posted one of my cartoons on his his 937 00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:23,279 facebook page so that that got me a 938 00:42:25,999 --> 00:42:24,420 little bit of a bump and I was hoping 939 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:26,009 maybe you know people say who is this 940 00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:27,930 guy but I don't know enough about that 941 00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:31,680 the cartoon / comic world to to know how 942 00:42:36,170 --> 00:42:34,529 to get discovered so if anyone can help 943 00:42:39,499 --> 00:42:36,180 me on that I would be much appreciative 944 00:42:43,130 --> 00:42:39,509 hey I your work is really really good 945 00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:43,140 and I'm surprised like some animator 946 00:42:48,589 --> 00:42:44,880 from Disney or something like that 947 00:42:49,819 --> 00:42:48,599 hasn't picked up on it that's the dream 948 00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:49,829 and you know it's funny you mentioned 949 00:42:53,509 --> 00:42:51,359 Disney years and years ago I was a 950 00:42:55,490 --> 00:42:53,519 software designer and I would draw 951 00:42:58,059 --> 00:42:55,500 though the animations for these kids 952 00:43:00,049 --> 00:42:58,069 software and we went to a trade show and 953 00:43:01,730 --> 00:43:00,059 you know I'm standing there you know 954 00:43:04,579 --> 00:43:01,740 this was a Mac world you know when the 955 00:43:06,589 --> 00:43:04,589 Macintosh was a big deal and and I 956 00:43:09,140 --> 00:43:06,599 stepped away to go to the bathroom and 957 00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:09,150 I'm not kidding you just then some guy 958 00:43:13,370 --> 00:43:11,910 from Disney cane and and spoke to a 959 00:43:14,749 --> 00:43:13,380 colleague of mine who was there's like 960 00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:14,759 you know tell this guy to give us a 961 00:43:19,099 --> 00:43:16,980 contact and and then I came back and you 962 00:43:20,900 --> 00:43:19,109 know luckily he left his card you know 963 00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:20,910 with my colleague you know I sent him a 964 00:43:25,819 --> 00:43:22,200 whole bunch of work and never heard from 965 00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:25,829 him again so another you know another 966 00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:27,569 false start well yeah but those 967 00:43:31,310 --> 00:43:29,730 sometimes those things lay dormant for a 968 00:43:33,590 --> 00:43:31,320 while before they sprout 969 00:43:35,210 --> 00:43:33,600 yes so you know I gotta throw it out 970 00:43:36,980 --> 00:43:35,220 there yeah I think that's that's the 971 00:43:39,290 --> 00:43:36,990 thing you gotta do now I i recently 972 00:43:42,170 --> 00:43:39,300 ordered this book called the writers a 973 00:43:44,930 --> 00:43:42,180 guy is called a writer's guide and it 974 00:43:47,780 --> 00:43:44,940 has all the agents and Lenore literary 975 00:43:50,060 --> 00:43:47,790 agents publishers and syndicates you 976 00:43:52,310 --> 00:43:50,070 know so I'm going to send the samples of 977 00:43:53,660 --> 00:43:52,320 my work to all of them and see what 978 00:43:56,210 --> 00:43:53,670 happens you know maybe maybe that's the 979 00:44:00,080 --> 00:43:56,220 the right route well you know we've 980 00:44:01,790 --> 00:44:00,090 discussed on the show in the past you 981 00:44:05,930 --> 00:44:01,800 know Hollywood was contacted by the 982 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:05,940 government after Roswell and almost one 983 00:44:12,010 --> 00:44:08,610 year to the date Marvin the Martian was 984 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:12,020 created and animated by Walt Disney I 985 00:44:17,870 --> 00:44:15,930 yeah and I and I I often when I hear 986 00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:17,880 your name and see you work I often think 987 00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:21,510 I wonder if somebody from the the the 988 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:24,480 alphabet boys would ever contact you and 989 00:44:29,420 --> 00:44:26,370 you know say hey we want you to put a 990 00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:29,430 smiley face on et for us to soften the 991 00:44:33,980 --> 00:44:32,400 blow as we get closer to disclosure if 992 00:44:36,410 --> 00:44:33,990 you thought about that it for doing a 993 00:44:37,820 --> 00:44:36,420 series like that I've not but that's 994 00:44:41,050 --> 00:44:37,830 that's a wonderful idea I mean that 995 00:44:43,340 --> 00:44:41,060 that's that's a neat you know notion and 996 00:44:46,190 --> 00:44:43,350 to listen to the rest of this interview 997 00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:46,200 please go to inception radio network com 998 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:48,900 and register for the insider's club what 999 00:44:53,180 --> 00:44:50,850 is the insider's club the insider's club 1000 00:44:55,460 --> 00:44:53,190 is our premium content what you just 1001 00:44:59,420 --> 00:44:55,470 listened to now what you just listen to 1002 00:45:01,310 --> 00:44:59,430 is a preview of that premium content the 1003 00:45:04,430 --> 00:45:01,320 insider's club is how we pay the bills 1004 00:45:07,610 --> 00:45:04,440 that's how you support higher 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